{"id":414,"date":"2011-02-05T12:54:24","date_gmt":"2011-02-05T18:54:24","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.podles.org\/dialogue\/?p=414"},"modified":"2011-02-06T16:47:04","modified_gmt":"2011-02-06T22:47:04","slug":"german-catholicism-and-celibacy-a-short-history","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/www.podles.org\/dialogue\/german-catholicism-and-celibacy-a-short-history-414.htm","title":{"rendered":"German Catholicism and Celibacy &#8211; A Short History"},"content":{"rendered":"<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-align: center; margin: 0in 0in 0pt;\"><span style=\"font-size: 14pt;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman;\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/www.toonpool.com\/user\/1365\/files\/vage_aussichten_767045.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"500\" height=\"431\" \/><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-align: center; margin: 0in 0in 0pt;\">\u00a0<span style=\"font-size: 14pt;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman;\"><em>Supi, celibacy\u00a0is going to disappear,and you can marry me &#8211;\u00a0or?<\/em><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0in 0in 0pt;\">\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0in 0in 0pt;\"><span style=\"font-size: 14pt;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman;\">German Catholics have long manifested a discontent with clerical celibacy. One of Luther\u2019s first acts was to abolish clerical celibacy; Germans currently criticize <em style=\"mso-bidi-font-style: normal;\">Zwangsz\u00f6libat<\/em>, compulsory celibacy, forced celibacy. As Cardinal Brandm\u00fcller <a href=\"http:\/\/www.kath.net\/detail.php?id=29997\">points out<\/a>, the term <em style=\"mso-bidi-font-style: normal;\">Zwangsz\u00f6libat<\/em>\u00a0misrepresents the discipline; no one is <em style=\"mso-bidi-font-style: normal;\">forced<\/em> to be celibate. <\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0in 0in 0pt;\">\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0in 0in 0pt;\"><span style=\"font-size: 14pt;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman;\">Now a third of German theologians have come out <a href=\"http:\/\/www.denverpost.com\/nationworld\/ci_17294962#ixzz1D6qHyKAi\">asking<\/a> for an end to clerical celibacy (and also demanding women priests and the acceptance of gay couples and divorced and remarried couples while we\u2019re at it).<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto;\"><span style=\"color: black; font-size: 14pt;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman;\">The appeal, published in newspaper <em style=\"mso-bidi-font-style: normal;\">Sueddeutsche Zeitung&#8217;s<\/em> Friday edition, called on the church&#8217;s leadership to stop excluding gay couples and remarried Christians. <\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto;\"><span style=\"color: black; font-size: 14pt;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman;\">&#8220;The Church also needs married priests and women holding positions in the clergy,&#8221; the appeal said\u2014in clear defiance of the Vatican&#8217;s dogmas. <\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto;\"><span style=\"color: black; font-size: 14pt;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman;\">In Germany theologians need the Vatican\u2019s approval to hold chairs of Catholic theology, so this situatSupim cleibacy is going to disappear,a nd oyu can marry me, or&#8230;ion is ripe for conflict.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto;\">\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0in 0in 0pt;\"><span style=\"color: black; font-size: 14pt;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman;\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.podles.org\/dialogue\/ratzinger-asked-for-discussion-of-clerical-celibacy-409.htm\">Josef Ratzinger <\/a>himself at one time had asked for a discussion of the possibility of married priests.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0in 0in 0pt;\"><span style=\"color: black; font-size: 14pt;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0in 0in 0pt;\"><span style=\"color: black; font-size: 14pt;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman;\">The background of this conflict is the tension between German (and other national) Catholicisms and ultramontane Catholicism espoused by the Vatican, and behind that at least in part are conflicting images of masculinity: the one that sees sexual expression as an almost universal, necessary, and good aspect of masculinity and the other that sees celibacy as an expression of masculine self-discipline.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0in 0in 0pt;\"><span style=\"color: black; font-size: 14pt;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0in 0in 0pt;\"><span style=\"color: black; font-size: 14pt;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman;\">During the Kulturkampf in German (c. 1875) the Catholic Church was attacked as feminized and perverse. This accusation stung Catholic men, and a reform group in Munich, the Krausgesellschaft, <span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes;\">\u00a0<\/span>arose which tried to show that masculinity and Catholicism were compatible.<\/span><\/span>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0in 0in 0pt;\">\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0in 0in 0pt;\"><span style=\"color: black; font-size: 14pt;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman;\">\u00a0One of the aims of this group was the end of clerical celibacy, because it kept young men with healthy drives out of the priesthood and let in perverse types such as were exposed in a series of scandals around 1900 \u2013 scandals which turned out to be baseless. Furthermore, celibacy kept these healthy young German men from reproducing, and degenerate types, many of these Catholic reformers went on to say, were reproducing, and they should be sterilized. And German priests should produce German children because the Aryan race was the purest and most important race and the Jews were polluting it and\u2026 I think you can see where this ended up.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0in 0in 0pt;\"><span style=\"color: black; font-size: 14pt;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0in 0in 0pt;\"><span style=\"color: black; font-size: 14pt;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman;\">Historians have been puzzled why Nazism arose in Munich; later of course the conflict between Nazism and the Catholic Church was bitter, but at the beginning Catholic reformers \u2013 and remember, these were reformers &#8211; <span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes;\">\u00a0<\/span>were espousing naturalist and racial theories in Munich. The young Heinrich Himmler was a pious Catholic university student in Munich.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0in 0in 0pt;\"><span style=\"color: black; font-size: 14pt;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0in 0in 0pt;\"><span style=\"color: black; font-size: 14pt;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman;\">This is not to say that the current crop of German reformers are racialists or Nazis, but the Vatican has a long memory, and suspects with justice that demands for a change in the discipline of clerical celibacy often lead to demands for radical changes in Christian doctrine. The theologians who coupled<span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes;\">\u00a0 <\/span>a demand for the end to clerical celibacy with a demand for the acceptance of homosexual couples have simply strengthened the Vatican\u2019s determination not to make any major changes in the discipline of celibacy at this time.<\/span><\/span><span style=\"color: black; font-size: 14pt;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: \">(The information about the Krausgesellschaft comes from Derek Hastings\u2019 article <span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes;\">\u00a0<\/span>\u201c<\/span><span style=\"font-family: \">Fears of a Feminized Church: Catholicism, Clerical Celibacy, and <\/span><span style=\"font-family: \">the Crisis of Masculinity in Wilhelmine Germany.\u201d)<\/span><\/p>\n<div id=\"themify_builder_content-414\" data-postid=\"414\" class=\"themify_builder_content themify_builder_content-414 themify_builder themify_builder_front\">\r\n\t<\/div>\r\n<!-- \/themify_builder_content -->","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>\u00a0Supi, celibacy\u00a0is going to disappear,and you can marry me &#8211;\u00a0or? \u00a0 German Catholics have long manifested a discontent with clerical celibacy. One of Luther\u2019s first acts was to abolish clerical celibacy; Germans currently criticize Zwangsz\u00f6libat, compulsory celibacy, forced celibacy. As Cardinal Brandm\u00fcller points out, the term Zwangsz\u00f6libat\u00a0misrepresents the discipline; no one is forced to be [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_exactmetrics_skip_tracking":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[433,61,3,62,113,44,130,201,63],"tags":[1129,1130,477],"class_list":["post-414","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-anticlericalism","category-celibacy","category-clergy-sex-abuse","category-germany","category-homosexuality","category-masculinity","category-moral-theology","category-pope-benedict","category-vatican","tag-celibacy","tag-germany","tag-krausgesellschaft","has-post-title","has-post-date","has-post-category","has-post-tag","has-post-comment","has-post-author"],"aioseo_notices":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.podles.org\/dialogue\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/414","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.podles.org\/dialogue\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.podles.org\/dialogue\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.podles.org\/dialogue\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.podles.org\/dialogue\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=414"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"http:\/\/www.podles.org\/dialogue\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/414\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.podles.org\/dialogue\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=414"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.podles.org\/dialogue\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=414"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.podles.org\/dialogue\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=414"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}