{"id":427,"date":"2011-03-04T07:28:44","date_gmt":"2011-03-04T13:28:44","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.podles.org\/dialogue\/?p=427"},"modified":"2011-03-04T20:11:09","modified_gmt":"2011-03-05T02:11:09","slug":"martinez-vs-lamy","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/www.podles.org\/dialogue\/martinez-vs-lamy-427.htm","title":{"rendered":"Mart\u00ednez vs Lamy"},"content":{"rendered":"<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-align: center; margin: 0in 0in 0pt;\"><span style=\"font-size: 14pt;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman;\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/www.privatepress.org\/exhibition\/images\/_1_11_martinez.jpg \" alt=\"\" width=\"180\" height=\"256\" \/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/www.santafestation.com\/area_museum\/images\/photo_gallery\/9970.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"180\" height=\"243\" \/><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0in 0in 0pt;\">\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0in 0in 0pt;\"><span style=\"font-size: 14pt;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman;\">Willa Cather traduces Father Antonio Jos\u00e9 Mart\u00ednez, the pastor of Taos, New Mexico, in her novel <em style=\"mso-bidi-font-style: normal;\">Death Comes to the Archbishop<\/em>. It is only a novel, but is enough of a roman \u00e0 clef that his memory has suffered. Lamy\u2019s biographer, Paul Horgan (<em style=\"mso-bidi-font-style: normal;\">Lamy of Santa Fe<\/em>), is fairer to Mart\u00ednez, but glosses over many of Lamy\u2019s actions that Martinez objected to.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0in 0in 0pt;\"><span style=\"font-size: 14pt;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0in 0in 0pt;\"><span style=\"font-size: 14pt;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman;\">Lamy was a representative of nineteenth-century French ultramontane Catholicism, and was determined to reproduce the French way of being Catholic in New Mexico. He did not like the art, the festivities, or the penances of the Hispanics. He replaced the santos by plaster saints and colored lithographs; he tried to suppress the fandangos (the social dances);and he tried to suppress the penitentes, the brotherhood that did works of charity and severe bodily penances.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0in 0in 0pt;\"><span style=\"font-size: 14pt;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0in 0in 0pt;\"><span style=\"font-size: 14pt;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman;\">When New Mexico was part of Mexico, tithes to the church were a civil obligation. Don Mart\u00ednez, himself a well-to-do landowner who used his resources to help the poor, persuaded the Mexican Assembly to abolish tithes because they weighed so heavily upon the poor.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0in 0in 0pt;\"><span style=\"font-size: 14pt;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0in 0in 0pt;\"><span style=\"font-size: 14pt;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman;\">When Lamy came, he was determined to build up the church as an institution with convents and schools and hospitals (all good things) and he needed money to do this. Some funds came from France, but he reinstituted the tithes and enforced them by denying the sacraments to people who would not or could not pay them. To me this smacks of simony. Lamy, admittedly in a difficult situation, heavy-handedly enforced his decrees and his vision of the church..<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0in 0in 0pt;\"><span style=\"font-size: 14pt;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0in 0in 0pt;\"><span style=\"font-size: 14pt;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman;\">The Mexican priests were close to the people (perhaps a little too close at times) and Lamy was scandalized that they did not leave reserved, austere lives \u2013 Mexican priests had even been known to dance! He got rid of them for the slightest real or imagined infraction and imported French priests. After New Mexico became an American territory, Lamy insisted that the French priests preach mostly in their limited English, with the result that the Hispanic parishioners were totally mystified.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0in 0in 0pt;\"><span style=\"font-size: 14pt;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0in 0in 0pt;\"><span style=\"font-size: 14pt;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman;\">In France the clergy objected to much of the popular rural culture that had carried over from the Middle Ages. One of the bones of contention between young men and the clergy was dancing. Priests, including I believe John Vianney, the Cur\u00e9 of Ars, would refuse absolution to men unless they promised to give up dancing. But the dances that the clergy found so objectionable were the traditional circle and line dances, not intimate body-to-body dances. Priests also found most saints\u2019 day feasts and pilgrimages objectionable, because they were run by the laity and not controlled by the clergy.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0in 0in 0pt;\"><span style=\"font-size: 14pt;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0in 0in 0pt;\"><span style=\"font-size: 14pt;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman;\">Although there have been some short defenses of Mart\u00ednez, no one has written a scholarly study of the conflict between Mexican and French Catholicism in New Mexico, a study that would, I hope, not take French Catholicism as the norm and Mexican Catholicism as a provincial deviation.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0in 0in 0pt;\"><span style=\"font-size: 14pt;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0in 0in 0pt;\"><span style=\"font-size: 14pt;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman;\">PS Father Martinez baptized Kit Carson and then witnessed his marriage. Carson, like the Texans at the Alamo, died a Catholic.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<div id=\"themify_builder_content-427\" data-postid=\"427\" class=\"themify_builder_content themify_builder_content-427 themify_builder themify_builder_front\">\r\n\t<\/div>\r\n<!-- \/themify_builder_content -->","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>\u00a0 Willa Cather traduces Father Antonio Jos\u00e9 Mart\u00ednez, the pastor of Taos, New Mexico, in her novel Death Comes to the Archbishop. It is only a novel, but is enough of a roman \u00e0 clef that his memory has suffered. Lamy\u2019s biographer, Paul Horgan (Lamy of Santa Fe), is fairer to Mart\u00ednez, but glosses over [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_mi_skip_tracking":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[46,13],"tags":[501,502],"class_list":["post-427","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-clericalism","category-southwest","tag-antonio-jose-martinez","tag-archbishop-lamy","has-post-title","has-post-date","has-post-category","has-post-tag","has-post-comment","has-post-author"],"aioseo_notices":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.podles.org\/dialogue\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/427","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.podles.org\/dialogue\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.podles.org\/dialogue\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.podles.org\/dialogue\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.podles.org\/dialogue\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=427"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"http:\/\/www.podles.org\/dialogue\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/427\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.podles.org\/dialogue\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=427"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.podles.org\/dialogue\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=427"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.podles.org\/dialogue\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=427"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}