{"id":355,"date":"2010-08-30T06:27:26","date_gmt":"2010-08-30T12:27:26","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.podles.org\/dialogue\/?p=355"},"modified":"2010-08-30T06:35:11","modified_gmt":"2010-08-30T12:35:11","slug":"the-clericalist-mind-at-work","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.podles.org\/dialogue\/the-clericalist-mind-at-work-355.htm","title":{"rendered":"The Clericalist Mind at Work"},"content":{"rendered":"<p class=\"MsoNormalCxSpFirst\" style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman;\"><span style=\"color: #464646;\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/graphics8.nytimes.com\/images\/2010\/07\/13\/world\/13belgium_337-395\/13belgium_337-395-articleInline.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"190\" height=\"268\" \/><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormalCxSpFirst\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman;\"><span style=\"color: #464646;\">Roger Vangheluwe was a priest when he began sexually abusing his five-year-old nephew. The abuse continued even after 1984, when Vangheluwe, at age 48, became bishop of Bruges.<\/span><\/span><\/span><span style=\"mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: small;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormalCxSpMiddle\"><span style=\"mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman;\">The boy\u2019s family pressured the boy to remain silent to preserve the bishop\u2019s career. The bishop gave the family money (source of money unspecified). As he grew up, the boy was filled with anger.<\/span><\/span><\/span><span style=\"mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: small;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p class=\"MsoNormalCxSpMiddle\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman;\"><span style=\"color: black;\">\u00a0Over the years, the nephew \u2014 who still does not want his name used publicly \u2014 channeled his rage into creating art: giant screaming images in gnarled wood or a montage of a boy being crushed by a mattress. (<a href=\"http:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/2010\/07\/13\/world\/europe\/13belgium.html?_r=1&amp;ref=roger_vangheluw\">NYT<\/a>)<\/span><\/span><\/span><span style=\"mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: small;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p class=\"MsoNormalCxSpMiddle\"><span style=\"mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman;\">In 1996 Father Rik Devill\u00e9 told Cardinal Godfried Danneels about the abuse.\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/span><span style=\"color: black;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: small;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p class=\"MsoNormalCxSpMiddle\"><span style=\"color: black;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman;\"><span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes;\">&#8230;\u00a0<\/span>he said, the cardinal listened impatiently, glancing frequently at his watch. Weeks later, Father Devill\u00e9 received a letter from the cardinal. \u201cStop making unfounded public accusations against the church and its functionaries if you don\u2019t have proof,\u201d it read.<\/span><\/span><\/span><span style=\"color: black;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: small;\">\u00a0(<a href=\"http:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/2010\/07\/13\/world\/europe\/13belgium.html?_r=1&amp;ref=roger_vangheluw\">NYT<\/a>)<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p class=\"MsoNormalCxSpMiddle\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman;\"><span style=\"color: black;\">(Danneels now claims to have no memory of this incident)<\/span><\/span><\/span><span style=\"mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: small;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormalCxSpMiddle\"><span style=\"mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman;\">A niece of the now-adult nephew received a holy card from Bishop Vangheluwe for her confirmation.<span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes;\">\u00a0 <\/span>It had a note about the importance of a healthy childhood. This enraged the nephew, and he decided to confront Vangheluwe and Danneels.<\/span><\/span><\/span><span style=\"mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: small;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormalCxSpMiddle\"><span style=\"mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman;\">In April 2010 the nephew met with Vangheluwe and Cardinal Danneels. The nephew was expecting the new archbishop Leonard to be there but he did not come. <span style=\"color: #464646; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold;\"><span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes;\">\u00a0<\/span>Vangheluwe<\/span> left the room.<\/span><\/span><\/span><span style=\"mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: small;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormalCxSpMiddle\" style=\"text-align: left;\" align=\"left\"><span style=\"mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman;\">(The translation of the <a href=\"http:\/\/cathcon.blogspot.com\/2010\/08\/danneels-tapes-part-i.html\">transcript is <\/a>rough. I will replace it if I can find a better one)<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormalCxSpMiddle\" style=\"text-align: left;\" align=\"left\">\n<div class=\"MsoNormalCxSpMiddle\" style=\"text-align: left;\"><\/div>\n<p><span style=\"color: black;\"><font color=\"black\"><\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p class=\"MsoNormalCxSpMiddle\" style=\"text-align: left;\" align=\"left\">\n<div class=\"MsoNormalCxSpMiddle\" style=\"text-align: left;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman;\"><strong style=\"mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;\">Nephew :<\/strong> So I lost my entire youth to abuse by my uncle Roger. Sexual and still mentally and I think I should do something and that I have a duty to report that to a higher authority.<strong style=\"mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;\">Danneels:<\/strong> What would you really want? I know the story, he has already told me. You should not tell me it all again, but what would you really want me to do?<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman;\"><strong style=\"mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;\">Nephew:<\/strong> I give the responsibility to you, I cannot decide, I have this burden on my shoulders and I want rid myself of this burden and to give that burden to you. That is my intention.<\/p>\n<p><strong style=\"mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;\">Danneels:<\/strong> Yes &#8230;<\/p>\n<p><strong style=\"mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;\">Nephew:<\/strong> And you do what you think should be done, because I do not know how the whole system works, so &#8230;<\/p>\n<p><strong style=\"mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;\">Danneels:<\/strong> Do you want it to be published, anyway?<\/p>\n<p><strong style=\"mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;\">Nephew:<\/strong> Euuhm &#8230; I leave it to you.<\/p>\n<p><strong style=\"mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;\">Danneels:<\/strong> Actually, Monsignor will resign next year, would it actually be better that you wait.<\/p>\n<div><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman;\"><strong style=\"mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;\">Nephew:<\/strong> No, no, no.<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman;\"><\/p>\n<div><span style=\"font-size: small;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/div>\n<p><\/span><\/span><\/span><span style=\"font-size: small;\">\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><\/span><\/span>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormalCxSpMiddle\" style=\"text-align: left;\" align=\"left\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: small;\">(snip)<\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"MsoNormalCxSpMiddle\" style=\"text-align: left;\"><span style=\"color: black;\"><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-size: small;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman;\"><strong style=\"mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;\">Nephew:<\/strong> I want to go through it all. For him the only honest and the easiest way to die with an easy conscience would be to give up his responsibilities. It will be much easier for him. And before you actually go through the mud and everything you need to undergo, and then you come to terms with yourself.<strong style=\"mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;\">Danneels: <\/strong>That&#8217;s what prompted strong. It is quite strong to say: you have publicly humiliated for everyone.<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<p><span style=\"color: black;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman;\"><\/p>\n<div><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman;\"><strong style=\"mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;\">Nephew: <\/strong>You need to anyway. He should just resign.<\/span><\/span><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<p><\/span><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><strong style=\"mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;\"><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: small;\">Danneels: <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman;\">\u00a0Ah yes, that&#8217;s the humiliation that he must resign, hey.<\/span><\/span><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman;\"><strong style=\"mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;\">Nephew:<\/strong> Yes yes.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><\/strong><\/span><\/span><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman;\"><strong style=\"mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;\">Danneels:<\/strong> Then people say: why should he resign? So, they&#8217;re going to find out. you know, why he resigned they&#8217;re going to find out. Which is quite a burden &#8230;<\/p>\n<p><strong style=\"mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;\">Nephew:<\/strong> But why are you so sorry for him and not me?<\/p>\n<p><strong style=\"mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;\">Danneels:<\/strong> I can tell you that.<\/p>\n<p><strong style=\"mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;\">Nephew:<\/strong> You always try to defend him, I thought I was going to have some support, I must defend myself here from things I cannot do anything about.<\/p>\n<p><strong style=\"mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;\">Danneels:<\/strong> No, I&#8217;m not saying anything you can do anything about it but something should be done differently.<\/p>\n<p><strong style=\"mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;\">Nephew:<\/strong> But what should be done?<\/p>\n<p><strong style=\"mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;\">Danneels:<\/strong> Questions of forgiveness anyway.<\/p>\n<p><strong style=\"mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;\">Nephew:<\/strong> And that was enough for you<\/p>\n<p><strong style=\"mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;\">Danneels:<\/strong> When you say &#8230;<\/p>\n<p><strong style=\"mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;\">Nephew:<\/strong> Why should I? He had been able to do that much earlier but it was not necessary. When I was 18, my father told him. We are now 25 years on and he has never asked forgiveness, why could he not do that much earlier, then it might never have come this far.<\/p>\n<p>No, I will not accept that he just disappears from the scene in heavenly glory and that it is the matter finished. He has his responsibility that he has taken all this and I wish that you now take your responsibility as the superior. That is my intention.<\/p>\n<p><font size=\"3\"><font face=\"Times New Roman\"><\/p>\n<div><span style=\"color: black; mso-bidi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman;\"><strong style=\"mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;\">Danneels:<\/strong> Yes, I can do no wrong because I did not.<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<p><\/font><\/font><\/span><font size=\"3\">\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><\/font><\/span><\/p>\n<div><span style=\"color: black; mso-bidi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/div>\n<p><span style=\"color: black; mso-bidi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;\">\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><\/span><\/span><span style=\"mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: small;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/span>\u00a0<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><\/font><\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: black;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman;\">(snip)<\/span><\/span><\/span><span style=\"color: black;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: small;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<blockquote>\n<p class=\"MsoNormalCxSpMiddle\" style=\"text-align: left;\" align=\"left\"><strong style=\"mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;\"><span style=\"color: black;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: small;\">Danneels:<\/span><\/span><\/strong><span style=\"color: black;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: small;\"> Well, I would suggest that we might be better to wait for a date next year when he would usually resign.<br \/>\n<\/span><strong style=\"mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;\"><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: small;\">Nephew: <\/span><\/strong><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman;\">No, I do not agree, and him taking glory in saying goodbye, no I cannot. The cover-up technique that you have used for so many years as you have, I&#8217;ll have to learn to live with, but eh<span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes;\">\u00a0\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><span style=\"color: black;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: small;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormalCxSpMiddle\" style=\"text-align: left;\" align=\"left\">\n<div class=\"MsoNormalCxSpMiddle\" style=\"text-align: left;\"><span style=\"color: black;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman;\">(snip)<strong style=\"mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;\">Danneels<\/strong>: But I have no authority over Monsignor Vangheluwe.<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<p><span style=\"color: black;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman;\"><strong style=\"mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;\">Nephew:<\/strong> And who did?<\/p>\n<p><strong style=\"mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;\">Danneels:<\/strong> Actually, no one except the Pope.<\/p>\n<p><font color=\"black\"><font size=\"3\"><font face=\"Times New Roman\"><\/p>\n<div><span style=\"color: black; mso-bidi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman;\">(snip)<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<p><\/font><\/font><\/font><\/span><font color=\"black\"><font size=\"3\">\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><\/font><\/font><\/span><font color=\"black\">\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><\/font><\/span><\/p>\n<div>\u00a0<\/div>\n<\/blockquote>\n<blockquote>\n<p class=\"MsoNormalCxSpMiddle\" style=\"text-align: left;\" align=\"left\">\n<div class=\"MsoNormalCxSpMiddle\" style=\"text-align: left;\"><span style=\"color: black;\"><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-size: small;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman;\"><strong style=\"mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;\">Nephew:<\/strong> Then perhaps you can go through and that you can arrange an appointment with the Pope and then we&#8217;ll go there. It is already 42 years that I suffer and I want no more, I can not stop, I can not, and I would not leave everything as it is.It has a very big impact in the family in everything in my relationship with my wife in everything, I&#8217;m tired of that life and that the matter remains so dominant, and I would agree to that. I have arrived at the age that I want my freedom for life.<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<p><span style=\"color: black;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman;\"><strong style=\"mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;\">Danneels:<\/strong> Actually, the first responsibility lies with him, he, rather than from his superiors.<\/p>\n<p><strong style=\"mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;\">Nephew:<\/strong> But if he does not want to do what has to be done &#8230;<\/p>\n<p><strong style=\"mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;\">Danneels:<\/strong> What do you ask of him? that he would resign?<\/p>\n<p><strong style=\"mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;\">Nephew:<\/strong> But he must decide, I just want to tell, that&#8217;s it. You wish me to say something that I cannot say I can not, I do not know how to proceed, or should I look for another way for me to obtain closure.<\/p>\n<p>And today I had demanded that he confess openly speaks to the family, saying that he did those things. While everyone is there.<\/p>\n<p><strong style=\"mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;\">Danneels:<\/strong> He will do that.<\/p>\n<p><strong style=\"mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;\">Nephew:<\/strong> I had expected for today, we can directly do better and we&#8217;ll see, if nothing happens, then I go to the pope.<\/p>\n<p><strong style=\"mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;\">Danneels<\/strong>: The pope is not so easy to get though to &#8230;<\/p>\n<p><font color=\"black\"><font size=\"3\"><font face=\"Times New Roman\"><\/p>\n<div><span style=\"color: black; mso-bidi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman;\">(snip)<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<p><\/font><\/font><\/font><\/span><font color=\"black\"><font size=\"3\">\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><\/font><\/font><\/span><font color=\"black\">\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><\/font><\/span><\/p>\n<div>\u00a0<\/div>\n<p class=\"MsoNormalCxSpMiddle\" style=\"text-align: left;\" align=\"left\">\n<div class=\"MsoNormalCxSpMiddle\" style=\"text-align: left;\"><span style=\"color: black;\"><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-size: small;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman;\"><strong style=\"mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;\">Danneels:<\/strong> I do not know if it would benefit either you or him to give a dramatic deadline.<strong style=\"mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;\">Nephew:<\/strong> I still think that the victim&#8217;s privacy should be respected, there should not be no names used.<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<p><span style=\"color: black;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman;\"><strong style=\"mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;\">Danneels:<\/strong> But yes, you put him in a quandary.<\/p>\n<p><strong style=\"mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;\">Nephew:<\/strong> I have all my life been in a difficult position, I&#8217;m not planning to have pity, I want that fight to finish, it has done for me, that I finally once again have a clean slate for myself that I do what I want to do.<\/p>\n<p>I was in a Catholic school and I was brought up Catholic. I&#8217;m very upset with that institute, I also read the newspapers, so I think I have an obligation to do so. How can I get my children to believe in something with such a background that will not move on, then you just move straight into the next generation. And everything remains as it is, and that is not the intention of the church.<\/p>\n<p><strong style=\"mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;\">Danneels:<\/strong> No, it&#8217;s not the intention to discredit someone?<\/p>\n<p><strong style=\"mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;\">Nephew:<\/strong> Give me another solution, I should forgive and it is resolved.<\/p>\n<p><strong style=\"mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;\">Danneels:<\/strong> No, no, no.<\/p>\n<p><strong style=\"mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;\">Nephew:<\/strong> And he goes on as normal.<\/p>\n<p><strong style=\"mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;\">Danneels:<\/strong> You could also say he will resign next year anyway, and that for example, he says, look, I no longer go on television and such. With those things, and you come to a year.<\/p>\n<p><strong style=\"mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;\">Nephew:<\/strong> No, I want it placed in your hands and then you decide.<\/p>\n<p><strong style=\"mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;\">Danneels:<\/strong> You can grab us and blackmail, hey, and say look, you have to do something.<\/p>\n<p><strong style=\"mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;\">Nephew:<\/strong> What?<\/p>\n<p><strong style=\"mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;\">Danneels:<\/strong> You can blackmail and say, look if you do not say &#8230;<\/p>\n<p><strong style=\"mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;\">Nephew:<\/strong> Why should I want to blackmail? I&#8217;m not going to blackmail.<\/p>\n<p><strong style=\"mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;\">Danneels:<\/strong> Well, if you for example say they do nothing, and you bring it to public notice &#8230;<\/p>\n<p><font color=\"black\"><font size=\"3\"><font face=\"Times New Roman\"><\/p>\n<div><span style=\"color: black; mso-bidi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman;\">(snip)<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<p><\/font><\/font><\/font><\/span><font color=\"black\"><font size=\"3\">\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><\/font><\/font><\/span><font color=\"black\">\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><\/font><\/span><\/p>\n<div><span style=\"color: black;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: small;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/blockquote>\n<blockquote>\n<p class=\"MsoNormalCxSpMiddle\" style=\"text-align: left;\" align=\"left\"><strong style=\"mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;\"><span style=\"color: black;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: small;\">Nephew:<\/span><\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<div class=\"MsoNormalCxSpMiddle\" style=\"text-align: left;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman;\"><span style=\"color: black;\"> We were forced to be married by him, for everything, the children were baptized by him, how can I explain to them? I now have my oldest son who asked yesterday: Look, what happened with me. They do not yet know what happened? That is still true, that cannot continue, and waiting for everything to retutn to the same situation- that&#8217;s still no solution?<strong style=\"mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;\">Danneels<\/strong>: Ah! We can also, as I said, ask forgiveness and give forgiveness, which is also a possibility.<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman;\"><span style=\"color: black;\"><\/p>\n<div><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman;\"><span style=\"color: black; mso-bidi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;\"><strong style=\"mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;\">Nephew:<\/strong><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman;\"><span style=\"color: black; mso-bidi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;\"><font size=\"3\"><font face=\"Times New Roman\"><font color=\"black\"><font size=\"3\"><font face=\"Times New Roman\"><font style=\"mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;\" color=\"black\"><span style=\"mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;\">That&#8217;s not possible for me, I do not believe anymore, as you do in these things, no, it is <span style=\"color: black;\">not possible.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<div><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman;\"><span style=\"mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;\">That&#8217;s not possible for me, I do not believe anymore, as you do in these things, no, it is <span style=\"color: black;\">not possible.<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<p><\/font><\/font><\/font><\/font><\/font><\/font><\/span><font size=\"3\"><font face=\"Times New Roman\"><font color=\"black\"><font size=\"3\"><font face=\"Times New Roman\">\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><\/font><\/font><\/font><\/font><\/font><\/span><font size=\"3\"><font face=\"Times New Roman\"><font color=\"black\"><font size=\"3\">\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><\/font><\/font><\/font><\/font><\/span><font size=\"3\"><font face=\"Times New Roman\"><font color=\"black\">\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><\/font><\/font><\/font><\/span><font size=\"3\"><font face=\"Times New Roman\">\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><\/font><\/font><\/span><font size=\"3\">\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><\/font><\/span><\/p>\n<div>\u00a0<\/div>\n<p class=\"MsoNormalCxSpMiddle\" style=\"text-align: left;\" align=\"left\">\n<div class=\"MsoNormalCxSpMiddle\" style=\"text-align: left;\"><span style=\"color: black;\"><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-size: small;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman;\"><strong style=\"mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;\">Nephew:<\/strong> If I cause an accident, drunk, I will also be punished.<strong style=\"mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;\">Danneels: <\/strong>A punishment sentences. You have penalties that are public and private penalties, that&#8217;s a big difference huh. Your name gets out, pulled through the mud &#8230;<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<p><span style=\"color: black;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman;\"><strong style=\"mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;\">Nephew:<\/strong> My name?<\/p>\n<p><strong style=\"mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;\">Danneels:<\/strong> His name.<\/p>\n<p><font face=\"Times New Roman\"><\/p>\n<div><span style=\"color: black; mso-bidi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman;\"><strong style=\"mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;\">Nephew:<\/strong> He has ensured that my whole life is pulled through the mud. From 5 to 18 years old. Can you imagine?<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<p><\/font><\/span><\/p>\n<div><span style=\"color: black; mso-bidi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><span style=\"color: black; mso-bidi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<p><\/span><span style=\"color: black; mso-bidi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;\">\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><\/span><\/span><span style=\"color: black;\"><br \/>\n<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p class=\"MsoNormalCxSpMiddle\"><span style=\"mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman;\">After this failed meeting a friend of the nephew e-mailed all the bishops of Belgium and revealed the abuse. The nephew very wisely secretly taped this meeting. He released the transcript after the Belgian bishops claimed that he was trying to blackmail them.<\/span><\/span><\/span><span style=\"mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: small;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormalCxSpMiddle\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman;\"><span style=\"color: #333333;\">Vangheluwe <\/span><span style=\"color: #464646;\">publicly <a href=\"http:\/\/www.huffingtonpost.com\/2010\/04\/23\/roger-vangheluwe-belgian_n_549316.html\">admitted<\/a> the abuse and resigned:<\/span><\/span><\/span><span style=\"mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: small;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p class=\"MsoNormalCxSpMiddle\"><span style=\"mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman;\">\u00a0&#8220;When I was still just a priest, and for a certain period at the beginning of my episcopate, I sexually abused a minor from my immediate environment,&#8221;<\/span><\/span><\/span><span style=\"mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: small;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p class=\"MsoNormalCxSpMiddle\"><span style=\"mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman;\">Danneels successor, Leonard, said this about the resignation of the confessed incestuous child abuser:<\/span><\/span><\/span><span style=\"mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: small;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p class=\"MsoNormalCxSpMiddle\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman;\"><span style=\"color: #333333;\">that Vangheluwe was known as a &#8220;great brother and dynamic bishop&#8221; who was highly appreciated within the Belgian Church<\/span><\/span><\/span><span style=\"mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: small;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p class=\"MsoNormalCxSpMiddle\"><span style=\"mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman;\">Several things come through in this transcript: Cardinal Danneels, a hero of the progressive wing of the Church, is as much a clericalist as the most hidebound Italian cardinal. His sole concern is protecting the career and reputation of a bishop. The pain of the victim, a mere layman, is invisible to Danneels, whose only concern is with a fellow cleric.<\/span><\/span><\/span><span style=\"mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: small;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormalCxSpMiddle\"><span style=\"mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman;\">Danneels disclaims all responsibility \u2013 only the pope can do anything \u2013 but of course it is very difficult to arrange a meeting with the pope.<\/span><\/span><\/span><span style=\"mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: small;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormalCxSpMiddle\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman;\"><span style=\"color: #464646;\">Vangheluwe<\/span><span style=\"mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;\"> is unrepentant. He has never asked for forgiveness. He nephew correctly states that the only way to obtain forgiveness is for <span style=\"color: #464646; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold;\">Vangheluwe <\/span>to take responsibility for what he has done, and <span style=\"color: #464646; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold;\">Vangheluwe<\/span> has refused to do that his whole life.<\/span><\/span><\/span><span style=\"mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: small;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormalCxSpMiddle\"><span style=\"mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman;\">The nephew is a classic example of the Stockholm syndrome. He let his abuser witness his marriage and baptize his children. The hierarchy has perfected the technique of cultivating the Stockholm syndrome among victims of clerical abuse.<\/span><\/span><\/span><span style=\"mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: small;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormalCxSpMiddle\"><span style=\"mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman;\">Danneels tries to manipulate the nephew but claiming that the nephew is blackmailing Danneels by saying he will go public unless V resigns. Danneels tells the victim that he &#8211; the victim &#8211; should ask for forgiveness. The misuse of demands to forgive to protect clerical malefactors will weigh heavy on the scales at the Day of Judgment.<\/span><\/span><\/span><span style=\"mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: small;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormalCxSpMiddle\"><span style=\"mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman;\">Belgian law states that the victim of sexual abuse has ten years after he reaches 18 to report the abuse. Since the nephew was under pressure from his family to keep quiet, he did not report in that time period and <span style=\"color: #464646; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold;\"><span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes;\">\u00a0<\/span>Vangheluwe<\/span> cannot be criminally prosecuted.<\/span><\/span><\/span><span style=\"mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: small;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormalCxSpMiddle\"><span style=\"mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman;\">The police raid that seized documents form Danneels residence was pronounced illegal and the documents cannot be used in prosecutions.<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormalCxSpMiddle\"><span style=\"mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;\"><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-size: small;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman;\">No cleric in Belgium will be inconvenienced by an earthly court of law. The hierarchy are no doubt congratulating themselves on their cleverness in manipulating the situation. We shall see whether they can manipulate the Great Assizes.<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormalCxSpMiddle\"><span style=\"mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: small;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormalCxSpMiddle\"><span style=\"mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;\"><span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: small;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<div id=\"themify_builder_content-355\" data-postid=\"355\" class=\"themify_builder_content themify_builder_content-355 themify_builder themify_builder_front\">\r\n\t<\/div>\r\n<!-- \/themify_builder_content -->","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Roger Vangheluwe was a priest when he began sexually abusing his five-year-old nephew. The abuse continued even after 1984, when Vangheluwe, at age 48, became bishop of Bruges.\u00a0 The boy\u2019s family pressured the boy to remain silent to preserve the bishop\u2019s career. The bishop gave the family money (source of money unspecified). 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